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  What do you think? Should chimpanzees be granted 'personhood'?

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's a current court case in ny which is hearing that question right now.

  the precise issue is the continued captivity of two chimpanzees, (leo and hercules, names bestowed by humans) in a medical research laboratory at stony brook university.. i suggest that the application has some merit.

  are not all of us "animals?

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  LoveUniHateExams, "Should Frodo be prosecuted for murder?"

  Chimpanzees, male and sometimes female are known for this behavior. I read Jane Goodall's book In The Shadow of Man where she says that she kept her child inside a cage to prevent Chimpanzees from harming him. She described the anger of a chimp when he couldn't get through the cage.

  The bottom line is that the chimp who did this should be killed.

  By the way, I did not say that chimps should be regarded as persons, simply that it is not a question with any clear cut answer and I offered examples of other Homonin species that would probably be problematic in being referred to as a person. Their character would have to be taken into account if they would happen to be close to humans in captivity or otherwise.
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  Anti-JW billboard going up in Texas

  by sunny23 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the first ever billboard has been crowd funded on reddit and will be going up.

  i'm curious to know if it will cause a spark in any jw's who already have questions or doubts and lead them to research into the child abuse cases and lead them to the thought that the wt and gb are not inspired or gods mouthpiece.

  at the very least it will provide people a topic of conversation and questions to the jw's who knock on their door: "so whats this whole sex abuse in kingdom halls thing about i saw on the billboard down the road?

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  sunny23, You might want to link directly with:

  http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/paedophilia.php

  or:

  http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/leaders-jehovahs-witnesses-cover-child-sex-abuse/

  The reason being that, in a few days or weeks, the home page would have accumulated a lot of other entries on different subjects and whoever is interested might not see it.
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  I'm late to the party on this Gog of Magog change...

  by sd-7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so this may 2015 study edition...i know you guys have talked about it already, but wow.

  this is classic.

  mostly i like to revel in the presentation of these changes.

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  sd-7, "That's the quickest way to end up in front of three elders."

  sd, the rationale that the Watchtower uses is that you're running ahead of Jehovah. I remember hearing day at a meeting the following:

  "But even if the organization is wrong how dare you correct it. You're running ahead of Jehovah."

  I have also heard the example of an Old Testament scripture where someone saw that the ark of the covenant which was being transported was in danger of falling into the ground. An individual saw it and when he went to prevent it's fall he was stricken dead by God. That of course applied to anyone who might be correcting the organization with good intentions.
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  Coping With Atheism (Long-ish Post...sorry!)

  by humblepotato in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  long time lurker (2009-ish), first time poster.

  first of all, i want to say thank you everyone who contributes to these boards and provokes stimulating conversations and thought processes.

  all the opinions and different perspectives are very enlightening.

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  Children are easily fooled.
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  What do you think? Should chimpanzees be granted 'personhood'?

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's a current court case in ny which is hearing that question right now.

  the precise issue is the continued captivity of two chimpanzees, (leo and hercules, names bestowed by humans) in a medical research laboratory at stony brook university.. i suggest that the application has some merit.

  are not all of us "animals?

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  That's ok OUTLAW.
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  What do you think? Should chimpanzees be granted 'personhood'?

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's a current court case in ny which is hearing that question right now.

  the precise issue is the continued captivity of two chimpanzees, (leo and hercules, names bestowed by humans) in a medical research laboratory at stony brook university.. i suggest that the application has some merit.

  are not all of us "animals?

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  Outlaw, I'm Village Idiot not Vidiot!
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  What do you think? Should chimpanzees be granted 'personhood'?

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's a current court case in ny which is hearing that question right now.

  the precise issue is the continued captivity of two chimpanzees, (leo and hercules, names bestowed by humans) in a medical research laboratory at stony brook university.. i suggest that the application has some merit.

  are not all of us "animals?

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  Outlaw, that PM looks like he's wearing the paper crowns that Burger King gives to children.
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  What do you think? Should chimpanzees be granted 'personhood'?

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's a current court case in ny which is hearing that question right now.

  the precise issue is the continued captivity of two chimpanzees, (leo and hercules, names bestowed by humans) in a medical research laboratory at stony brook university.. i suggest that the application has some merit.

  are not all of us "animals?

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  LoveUniHate Exams,

  "If they're freed, and live elsewhere, should the chimps pay rent?"

  They can be freed in the African forest.

  As for personhood that is a question that really has no answer. For instance, and I realize they're extinct, are different species of human beings considered persons? How about Neandertals; Homo Heidelbergensis (more primitive as I go along); Homo Erectus; Australopithecus?
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  Freedom of speech can only guarantee an audience of one

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. social
  2. family

  in my house i feel that freedom of speech is important but it can only guarantee an audience of one.

  i know women need to vent and i try to give them as much space as possible without interjecting any judgement on the validity of what is been vented in other words i give space for these events as best i could and try to listen with an open mind because there truely is a message there some where but i admit i'm a dense male to the female of our species.

  but i tend to shy away from over venting and cringe at being subjected to them and so while a person has the right to free speech in my house they don't have the right to an audience of more than one.

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  Brokeback,

  "...while a person has the right to free speech in my house they don't have the right to an audience of more than one."

  Maybe I'm dense but I don't quite understanding why an audience of 2 or more is bad from your perspective. Also what kind of subject in their venting makes you cringe?
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  Anti-JW billboard going up in Texas

  by sunny23 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the first ever billboard has been crowd funded on reddit and will be going up.

  i'm curious to know if it will cause a spark in any jw's who already have questions or doubts and lead them to research into the child abuse cases and lead them to the thought that the wt and gb are not inspired or gods mouthpiece.

  at the very least it will provide people a topic of conversation and questions to the jw's who knock on their door: "so whats this whole sex abuse in kingdom halls thing about i saw on the billboard down the road?

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  Simon,

  "Here's why I very much doubt it:"

  "It risks turning an incredibly minor issue into a more news-attention grabbing one. I don't think they would ever risk doing something so stupid and likely to be discovered for such little benefit."

  They would probably think that they would not be tracked down and discovered. While I don't know much about computers and the Internet I assume that such discovery would be difficult.